(04-21-2012 11:17 AM)Cranky Old Man Wrote: (04-20-2012 09:46 PM)Robosprog Wrote: Humour can't be in anything but things that you consider appropriate?
I see. Somehow you don't get that ridicule or other hurtful things, is something wrong.
Quote:Humour in scary situations is far better because you get to see them crap themselves later on, and if you say it damages horror at all, then you do not understand what a horror game is.
Horror isn't about jumpscares and screamers. You have completely failed at understanding horror.
Quote:So, what you're saying is that because he uses his style of humour to entertain people he doesn't care for the horror community?
With the exception of PDP fans, people making horror stories often put a lot of time and effort in making a serious story that is free from sex-jokes and memes. They do this because they want the players to appreciate this mood - not mock it. A player who mocks it, even for a minute, doesn't care about it. The player is expected to immerse himself with a serious mindset. This isn't personal opinion - this is fact. If you're "of a different opinion", then you're wrong.
Quote:Um.
Have you ever considered that he does, and has stated he'd rather play serious maps?
Wanting to play serious maps, is both far from actually playing them, and far from not ridiculing them as well. He's playing Siren right now, and he doesn't care about that game either. In the escort missions, does he care about the person he's escorting? Not one bit, because PDP isn't a person who cares. I've already declared that he's a psychopath, and I stand by that. Why you understand him is probably because you're a psychopath as well. You don't get why plight should be taken seriously either.
Quote:Humour is what he's about, if you want to watch a lets play of a horror game on youtube that isn't trying to be humorous.. well, good luck with that. Because let's plays are nowadays more of having funny commentaries over your gameplay.
There are lots of serious LPs of horror games as well, that do horror games justice. Is "everybody is doing it" supposed to be a justification?
Quote:He plays serious stuff seriously and is scared, you can tell. He has a face cam, look at it, in a few good custom maps and games he's terrified!
No, he's not. The only time where PDP is scared nowadays, is when he's directly assaulted by a jumpscare or an immediate threat - the mindset of a psychopath.
Quote:His funny commentary is to reassure himself aswell as being humorous to his fans.
Exactly: He's reassuring himself, trying to lighten a mood that's supposed to be dark and scary. He's ruining the horror, and sucking up to fans isn't an excuse.
Quote:Saying humour can't be present in horror is stupid because it is already there.
Go back to when you first were in the prison in amnesia, no doubt, at least once, you tried to reassure yourself by messing around, making a snarky comment or trying to point things out. It is human nature to reassure yourself in situations of terror - all these people do is voice it, and apparently it has no place in horror games?
Please.
Never once have I joked around or tried to reassure myself. Horror is serious business, and if you're not mature enough to face it, then there's always other games available.
Quote:And besides, these are your views that you are stating as fact, none of which are. I can go ahead and say that humour in horror is funnier than say, red vs blue's humour. (If you don't know what machinima that is, go watch the first few seasons - the best machinima has ever been) Does that make it true? Not really. The one thing that I think is true without a doubt is that reassuring yourself humorously or not is human nature in this post.
Your opinion isn't fact. Stop voicing it as if it is.
Relativism can only take you so far. Would horror games be intended to be humourous, it would include lots of puns. The nature that you're describing, is the nature of psychopathy: That not even torture of innocent people needs to be taken seriously. You're welcome to be a psychopath, because it's hard to cure, but it's not normal human nature.
First off: Where did I state that jump scares and screamers are horror? Not once, in fact I despise them. You have completely failed at putting words in my mouth.
And where did I say hurtful humour is right or wrong? Not once.. hm, I wonder why you're saying I've said stuff I haven't?
And that's his fans, not him. And opinions cannot be wrong - go back to school if you think otherwise and ask an english teacher. It's not fact. It's opinion, everyone has them. You believe every serious horror maker wants them to appreciate the mood - this is by your definition and standards. And if you mock something scary, it's to relieve the tension and horror. Don't say you have never done this because there are studies done that proves that most humans do try and relieve stress etc in some way, usually by humorous comments/etc. A large amount of the time, they do it without meaning too.
Er, yeah, but you have to remember what you've said - there are tons of crap non serious ones custom stories. You have to wade through the crap to find the gold. And now, you judge pewdiepie by his persona on youtube.
Have you ever considered that you don't know everything? Because you know nothing of what he is like in real life, and thus cannot judge his attitude. Pewdiepie does care - you can see this if you watch quite a few of his videos on amnesia, he occasionally makes side comments about the quality of map/story/atmosphere etc.
And if you think ANYONE cares about bloody escort quest/missions, go play WoW or some RPGs with them in, you eventually despise them more than anything else.
And then because you can't understand people are different to other people and the concept of opinions, you resort to saying he's a psychopath and that if I don't agree with you, I am too. Do you even know what a psychopath is? I'm willing to wager you don't, because if you did you'd know you're talking out of your arse here. The definition:
Psychopathy is a personality disorder characterized by a pervasive pattern of disregard for the rights of others and the rules of society. Psychopaths have a total lack of empathy and remorse, and have very shallow emotions. They are generally regarded as callous, selfish, dishonest, arrogant, aggressive, impulsive, irresponsible, and hedonistic.
Out of that list, I can think of.. uh. 3 that apply to pewdiepie and also to the vast majority of irresponsible people.
3 qualities that can apply to most people.
Does he have a lack of empathy? No, not at all. Remorse? Not really. Shallow emotions? The opposite. We can't tell with the disregard for others etc as we don't know him in real life.
Go find me a serious let's play, and never did I say everyone is doing it so it's right, did I? I said that they are more centred around having funny commentaries. Did I say that I agreed with it? Did I say that he was doing the right thing? No. I said that most people do it and it's difficult to find people who aren't. And that humorous is his style.
And again your lack of knowledge about psychopathy is displayed here, and he's scared by them, but not by other things? Are we watching the same youtuber here? Watch his face cam in an atmospheric story, he always looks scared.
And I'll have both yours: Everyone reassures themselves in some ways, it's not ruining the mood - if you want to be scared by a horror game you play it. You don't watch someone piss themselves - that's funny regardless. I'd laugh at anyone scared by video games yet I'd be scared if I played them. This isn't ruining horror in any way. And you're opinion here which you state as fact again.
And again you display your complete lack of knowledge of what a psychopath is. You're opinion.
And to the torture thing?
It's a video game. You take video games too seriously if you start sobbing and going "nooo poor guy
" whenever torture is mentioned. You only really care about that stuff if you're at unease in a video game, and that's what adds to the horror. Nobody expects you to go D: whenever it's mentioned and piss yourself. It isn't about the torture, it's about how terrified it makes you. And for the record? I do become more scared when I see and hear the people being tortured in the game.
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