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New custom monster? [DISCONTINUED]
Traggey Offline
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RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE

(07-18-2012, 02:13 PM)Hirnwirbel Wrote: Oho, what do we have here? Greetings, fellow animator! Big Grin
In case you'd still like to have some feedback, I noticed a few things that could be improved. But first of all, could you maybe show the animations in their actual speed? I find it a bit hard to tell if the timing is good if I don't even know if the animation is playing at 1/2 or 1/3 speed...

Walk:
- the feet look like they're sliding a bit. Now hear me out, I know the guy is walking in place so they obviously have to slide across the floor, but it somehow feels like they would be sliding even if he was walking forward. I don't know your workflow or what program you use, but in case you don't already know, heres a neat little trick to avoid that:

1: animate the character actually walking forward, so the feet are firmly planted were they belong. If you know the speed he will later have ingame, you should use that to calculate the the exact translate values for the feet and pelvis (for example 250 units per second)
2: copy the keys from your pelvis control to the world/main/root control (the highest control in the hierarchy that moves everything) and invert them so the main control moves backwards with the exact same speed your pelvis control moves forward.
3: Voilà, your character walks in place and his feet won't slide in the game! Smile

I'd also recommend offsetting the motion of the upper body from the motion of the legs. It would give the character much more weight, if the body would fall forward after the leg hits the ground not at the same time. You can then further offset the motion of the club-arm or the head from the body so the force from the foot hitting the ground moves through the whole body over some frames. (I really hope that was understandable, I'm struggling a bit with explaining stuff in english sometimes)

I would also put a bit more up-down movement in the pelvis, again to give him more weight. (passing>up>contact>down>passing...you know the drill Wink )

Attack1:

Like I said, I would like to see it in actual speed. What I can already suggest is, see if it would look better if you make him put his right leg forward during or shortly after the swing. That club is heavy and very off-balance after all, so it would make sense that he'd have to stumble forward with one leg to avoid falling on his face from the momentum.

Swing launch:
Again, the club is lacking a bit of weight here. In attack1 he has to move it with his whole body, but here it looks like his arm stump is doing the most of the work on its own. Adding some stumbling in the legs instead of leaving them in the "default" running animation might look good too - swinging that thing while running can't be easy!

Run:
I'm not sure if this animation is at real speed or slowed down (if its real speed its too slow). It should also have more pronounced movement in pelvis and spine compared to the walk. Otherwise same points I already made for the walk.

Sorry for the wall of text - I hope I could help somewhat and that I mentioned at least some things you didn't already hear from someone else. Keep up the good work, I'm looking forward to the next iteration of macedudes animations!
Excellent wall of text sir, thank you very much! I'll make sure this gets to Oblivator right away!
07-18-2012, 02:20 PM
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New custom monster? [DISCONTINUED] - by Traggey - 04-28-2012, 02:09 AM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Greven - 04-28-2012, 02:14 AM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Xanthos - 04-28-2012, 02:18 AM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by palistov - 04-28-2012, 02:28 AM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Danny Boy - 09-26-2012, 03:56 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Adny - 04-28-2012, 04:06 AM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Danny Boy - 04-28-2012, 05:09 AM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Traggey - 04-28-2012, 03:43 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by trollox - 04-28-2012, 09:42 AM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Traggey - 04-28-2012, 11:44 AM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by trollox - 04-28-2012, 01:04 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by palistov - 04-28-2012, 08:55 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Traggey - 04-28-2012, 10:36 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Traggey - 04-28-2012, 11:20 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Leeeyam - 04-28-2012, 11:41 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Traggey - 04-29-2012, 12:19 AM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Kman - 04-29-2012, 12:46 AM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by palistov - 04-29-2012, 02:35 AM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Miss Rigi - 04-29-2012, 04:38 AM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Traggey - 04-29-2012, 02:51 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by trollox - 04-29-2012, 03:27 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Danny Boy - 04-29-2012, 07:47 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Traggey - 04-29-2012, 09:40 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Traggey - 04-30-2012, 02:42 AM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Adny - 04-29-2012, 10:12 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by trollox - 04-29-2012, 10:18 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Xanthos - 04-30-2012, 12:28 AM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Traggey - 04-30-2012, 01:05 AM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Traggey - 05-01-2012, 05:59 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Traggey - 05-01-2012, 06:16 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Xanthos - 05-01-2012, 07:55 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Acies - 05-01-2012, 06:23 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Traggey - 05-01-2012, 08:00 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Leeeyam - 05-02-2012, 04:44 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Traggey - 05-02-2012, 05:14 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Leeeyam - 05-02-2012, 05:28 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Musier - 05-02-2012, 07:31 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Leeeyam - 05-02-2012, 11:47 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Musier - 05-03-2012, 08:00 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Xanthos - 05-04-2012, 02:01 AM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Traggey - 05-04-2012, 08:50 AM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by trollox - 05-08-2012, 06:40 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Traggey - 05-08-2012, 09:09 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by SUMMER^ - 05-09-2012, 01:15 AM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by trollox - 05-08-2012, 09:58 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Traggey - 05-11-2012, 08:29 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by hiippari - 05-11-2012, 08:36 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by trollox - 05-12-2012, 01:55 AM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Damascus - 05-12-2012, 06:07 AM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by R. Peters - 05-12-2012, 11:05 AM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Tiiwh - 05-18-2012, 11:41 AM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Bridge - 05-18-2012, 01:33 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Traggey - 05-18-2012, 05:20 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Bridge - 05-18-2012, 05:42 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by trollox - 05-18-2012, 07:11 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Aresak - 05-25-2012, 05:23 AM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Traggey - 05-25-2012, 06:44 AM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Putmalk - 05-25-2012, 02:04 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Bridge - 05-25-2012, 02:52 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Putmalk - 05-25-2012, 03:04 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Traggey - 06-07-2012, 07:19 AM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Dutton - 06-07-2012, 08:00 AM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Dutton - 06-07-2012, 08:30 AM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Traggey - 06-07-2012, 09:19 AM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Ermu - 06-07-2012, 09:24 AM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by flamez3 - 06-07-2012, 10:08 AM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Traggey - 06-07-2012, 03:00 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by GrAVit - 06-07-2012, 02:29 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Traggey - 06-07-2012, 06:59 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Hardarm - 06-23-2012, 06:50 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Traggey - 06-23-2012, 07:17 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Statyk - 06-23-2012, 07:18 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Jagsrs28 - 06-23-2012, 07:18 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by MaZiCUT - 06-23-2012, 07:21 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Traggey - 06-23-2012, 07:23 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by MaZiCUT - 06-23-2012, 07:25 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Traggey - 06-23-2012, 07:28 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by MaZiCUT - 06-23-2012, 07:31 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Traggey - 06-23-2012, 07:31 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by MaZiCUT - 06-23-2012, 07:33 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Statyk - 06-23-2012, 07:39 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by MaZiCUT - 06-23-2012, 07:41 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Statyk - 06-23-2012, 07:43 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by MaZiCUT - 06-23-2012, 07:44 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Statyk - 06-23-2012, 07:45 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by MaZiCUT - 06-23-2012, 07:48 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Damascus - 07-05-2012, 09:53 AM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Traggey - 07-06-2012, 10:51 AM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by MaZiCUT - 07-07-2012, 05:47 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Statyk - 07-08-2012, 05:58 AM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by stjazz - 07-07-2012, 09:01 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Traggey - 07-14-2012, 05:48 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Traggey - 07-14-2012, 07:17 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by drunkmonk - 07-15-2012, 06:59 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Traggey - 07-15-2012, 07:28 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Adny - 07-15-2012, 07:31 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Traggey - 07-15-2012, 07:39 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Statyk - 07-16-2012, 02:32 AM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Damascus - 07-16-2012, 02:38 AM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Adny - 07-16-2012, 02:45 AM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Athom - 07-16-2012, 03:06 AM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Rapture - 07-16-2012, 03:35 AM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Traggey - 07-17-2012, 10:47 AM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Kman - 07-16-2012, 04:28 AM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Acies - 07-16-2012, 08:20 AM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Traggey - 07-18-2012, 02:20 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Acies - 07-18-2012, 05:32 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Traggey - 07-18-2012, 09:36 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Traggey - 07-18-2012, 10:24 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Potato - 07-20-2012, 09:52 AM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Vyzor - 07-21-2012, 02:19 AM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Traggey - 08-03-2012, 10:23 AM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Traggey - 08-03-2012, 03:10 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Damascus - 08-04-2012, 07:16 AM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Wurm - 08-07-2012, 05:22 AM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Melvin - 08-07-2012, 07:59 AM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Traggey - 08-07-2012, 08:39 AM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Wurm - 08-09-2012, 05:29 AM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Traggey - 08-09-2012, 08:35 AM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Traggey - 08-09-2012, 01:25 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Melvin - 08-09-2012, 10:33 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Traggey - 08-09-2012, 11:56 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Kman - 08-10-2012, 01:19 AM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Adny - 08-10-2012, 01:24 AM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Traggey - 08-10-2012, 10:17 AM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Traggey - 08-12-2012, 07:38 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Traggey - 08-13-2012, 04:37 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by lolmaster - 08-13-2012, 04:43 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Traggey - 08-13-2012, 04:54 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Kman - 08-13-2012, 05:36 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Traggey - 08-23-2012, 03:16 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Traggey - 08-24-2012, 07:04 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Damascus - 08-24-2012, 08:27 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Bas - 08-25-2012, 02:12 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Mucrush - 08-27-2012, 02:54 AM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Traggey - 08-27-2012, 01:58 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Bas - 08-27-2012, 02:48 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Mucrush - 08-29-2012, 04:29 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Zippy - 08-30-2012, 06:44 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Mucrush - 09-15-2012, 10:59 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Robby - 09-18-2012, 01:49 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Statyk - 09-26-2012, 03:57 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Danny Boy - 09-26-2012, 04:01 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Robby - 09-26-2012, 04:10 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Acies - 11-21-2012, 09:34 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Melvin - 11-24-2012, 12:42 AM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Traggey - 11-24-2012, 01:44 AM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Kman - 11-24-2012, 09:58 AM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Eliphas - 11-24-2012, 11:18 AM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Damascus - 11-24-2012, 06:55 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Traggey - 12-07-2012, 10:40 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Mucrush - 01-20-2013, 04:13 AM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Traggey - 01-20-2013, 02:49 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by BesTCracK - 01-21-2013, 09:07 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Traggey - 01-22-2013, 01:35 AM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by BesTCracK - 01-22-2013, 07:20 PM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Traggey - 02-22-2013, 01:06 AM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by vengey - 02-28-2013, 01:30 AM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Kman - 03-13-2013, 01:43 AM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Danny Boy - 03-13-2013, 01:58 AM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Traggey - 03-13-2013, 09:27 AM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Hardarm - 04-07-2013, 11:44 AM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Kman - 04-08-2013, 03:53 AM
RE: New custom monster? SAY PLEASE - by Traggey - 04-10-2013, 03:44 PM



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