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Puzzles, what are they good for?
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RE: Puzzles, what are they good for?

(02-26-2013 10:48 AM)Kman Wrote:  Zgroktar just hit the nail right on the head. Pretty much my exact thoughts on the matter.

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RE: Puzzles, what are they good for?

Depending on what you mean exactly, I will say two parts 1. They are good for your mind Smile 2. They make games more challenging and a complete action horror would suck ass.
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RE: Puzzles, what are they good for?

Question:
What do you think about puzzles like this?
Remember, that I always mean the "hard" method, but be warned to spoilers!
See this puzzles just as "examples" of design and challenge.

http://silenthill.wikia.com/wiki/Crematorium_Puzzle
http://silenthill.wikia.com/wiki/Tarot_Card_Puzzle
http://silenthill.wikia.com/wiki/Shakespeare_Anthology
http://silenthill.wikia.com/wiki/Stanley_Coleman
http://silenthill.wikia.com/wiki/Piano_Puzzle
http://silenthill.wikia.com/wiki/Coin_Puzzle
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RE: Puzzles, what are they good for?

puzzle hard, game must no have hard puzzle
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RE: Puzzles, what are they good for?

(03-27-2013 04:56 PM)wubwub Wrote:  puzzle hard, game must no have hard puzzle

Weak puzzle, weak game. That's it.
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RE: Puzzles, what are they good for?

but game no just puzzle, game must story and feel
03-27-2013 05:47 PM
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RE: Puzzles, what are they good for?

(03-27-2013 05:47 PM)wubwub Wrote:  but game no just puzzle, game must story and feel

Words to live by: Story and feel.

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RE: Puzzles, what are they good for?

(03-27-2013 05:47 PM)wubwub Wrote:  but game no just puzzle, game must story and feel

Yes, but game also no just story. A good game is a combination of all the best of story, puzzles, good feeling, and much more...

Every single thing must be the best of possible.
So, when we're talking about puzzles, it should be very thoughtful and not only pick up an object and place it into a slot. That's even not worth to be called a "puzzle". That's easy boring and will not make you stuck and thinking about what to do next - what we call "feeling" here to influence the whole experience.

The "flow" of a game has to get broken many time. That you don't know what to do next and search for missing secrets in the environment to bring you forward. Make your own thoughts - that's immersion! And the same as feeling.

And I think, Thomas changed his design type too much after the popularity of Penumbra and the success of Amnesia. I think, he played too many other games and get inspired by too many other media. Instead to stay faithful with his unique own work.

We are here, because we are huge fans of Penumbra and Amnesia. So, it would be no good idea to make the next game more different.
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RE: Puzzles, what are they good for?

(03-25-2013 07:06 PM)Googolplex Wrote:  Question:
What do you think about puzzles like this?
Remember, that I always mean the "hard" method, but be warned to spoilers!
See this puzzles just as "examples" of design and challenge.

http://silenthill.wikia.com/wiki/Crematorium_Puzzle
http://silenthill.wikia.com/wiki/Tarot_Card_Puzzle
http://silenthill.wikia.com/wiki/Shakespeare_Anthology
http://silenthill.wikia.com/wiki/Stanley_Coleman
http://silenthill.wikia.com/wiki/Piano_Puzzle
http://silenthill.wikia.com/wiki/Coin_Puzzle

Those are cleverly designed, but too hard for me (I don't want to exit the game every 10 minutes to check the answer). Penumbra puzzles are just perfect IMO
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RE: Puzzles, what are they good for?

(03-27-2013 07:31 PM)Deep One Wrote:  Those are cleverly designed, but too hard for me (I don't want to exit the game every 10 minutes to check the answer). Penumbra puzzles are just perfect IMO

Silent Hill puzzles are also too hard for me, but I enjoy it.
I like hard puzzles, that challenge my brain.

Penumbra puzzles are good. But Amnesia is too easy in 80% of all puzzles.
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