Gender

[Kman]

First of all, the link you gave me says "page not found", second, I dont know how it's like in the USA but in my country it doesn't matter how old you are, how bad you smell or which sex you are. EVERYONE gets payed the same, depeding on their work position.

guess the since the forum auto shrunk the link it 404'd but yeah just click the one robo posted

also this isn't a matter of personal observation, it's a matter of fact that statistically woman get paid less than men. this isn't even just for the US either like that website shows that it applies to p much every country and part of the world

I have never witnessed a female IRL complaining or getting trouble for applying to a job because she was a female. Infact, if you read my post the only thing i witnessed was how a male got removed from his work so the female could take over. Simply because of the gender factor. YES because of that, that guy happens to be my friend and he asked his boss about why he got fired. The boss said "Sorry, but female waitresses are better".

1 personal incident does not account for the experience of women world wide. yes that is unfair on the employers part but that's the opposite of what happens the large majority of the time

for example: "The employment-population ratio shown on Chart 4 represents the proportion of the population 16 years and older that are employed."

source: http://www.dol.gov/_sec/media/reports/femalelaborforce/

think that speaks for itself

If a guy dresses up funny, he's gonna be just as shamed as if a woman would be. If not more. And just like magazines with women imply that women should look the sexiest, should wear the most suggestive clothing and wear excessive make up to look better.

yes exactly they're pressured to dress and look a certain way (overly skinny, very revealing, overly feminine etc etc) and yet if someone actually does choose to dress in a more sexual or revealing manor they're generally disregarded as a slut (which is where the whole concept of slut shaming comes from). when was the last time you heard a public school enforcing a dress code because they thought guys were being too revealing?

There's also the rule for males...According to media, society or whatever, real men shouldnt cry, real men should be buff as hell and have 6 packs, real men should be gentlemen and real men should know everything technical stuff...Otherwise they aren't "men"

which goes back to what abrax was saying about the fact that we live in a patriarchal society negatively impacting males too, because it's assumed that men should be strong manly men like you said, which again goes right back to the fact that one of the main reasons feminism still exists is to dismantle the patriarchy

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also paddy i actually agree with a good deal of your post, a lot of those points and the type of people you're talking about are the ones that take it too far and try to give women a higher position in society then men. most of the people who i've met that consider themselves feminists do honestly just want equality, and after getting past the general hatred the internet has on the matter and actually listening to some of what they had to say it really isn't as bad as you or most other people make it out to be.