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RE: Gender

(10-24-2013, 05:09 PM)Bridge Wrote:
(10-24-2013, 02:29 PM)Abraxas Wrote: And I will abandon the women are out for you sentiment when you acknowledge the assumptions that were made about my 'pseudo feminism' and the area where I live were out of line. I'm afraid your exposure to feminism is limited if I come off as extreme.

Are you saying that there is not a correlation between geographical location and inequality? In Saudi Arabia the average woman has it a hell of a lot worse than their Western counterparts, this is a fact. My assumption about where you live were justified I think, because I did not realize you were being rhetorical with the list of "then you'll understand"s, and understood it as a list of things that have happened to you. Is that unreasonable?

I would like to clarify that I do not think yo u are being extreme and I never called you that, I simply argued the merits of feminist extremism which you seemed to support. Hey, fighting for women's rights is a very noble endeavor. Believe me, I am all for it. I just think that extremism is always a slippery slope. It's not a matter of if somebody corrupts the message, it's a matter of when. I hope you are not saying that feminism has not been taken too far in the past, and while that certainly isn't the fault of every day feminists, it is a structural problem that can be exploited or just fall apart of its own accord.

Your point about egalitarians being more apathetic than feminists is perhaps valid, but I would perhaps say they are merely less passionate. It's certainly not an issue that keeps me awake at night, because as you would say I am privileged. That being said I do not like to see anybody receiving undue treatment and I do what I can to not propagate the idea myself. You have to understand that where I live it is not proper to "cat call" women or tell rape jokes (I did not even know there was such a thing). Most manifestations of sexism here are too subtle to notice most of the time, let alone criticize.

Unfortunately, it is a common symptom of privilege to be able to ignore (or worse, acknowledge and not care about) the little things that make life difficult for an under-privileged group. But that under-privileged group gets to feel that apathy in one way or another by maintaining the status-quo.

I agree that feminism tends to lack much in the intersanctionality department. It's unfortunate, but it is being addressed in some feminist circles. And of course there were times in history and current affairs were some mad radicals decided to descend upon an otherwise benign affair.
The small, as you say, 'unnoticeable' instances are exactly what helps to keep a current system in place. I'm not saying you have to shout from the rooftops are attend protests, but just question these 'unnoticeable' things and seek to change them. You'll affect the bigger picture. That's great the rape jokes and such aren't widely accepted in your area. Awesome. But that doesn't mean that there are not problems. No area in the world is a utopia free of such things.

I just don't understand the helpless and apathetic attitude that you have. I'm not asking you to paint signs and storm government buildings, I'm asking you notice the little things that can be potentially harmful.
My personal anecdotal evidence here is insufficient, but feminism has had my back more often than humanism. To be perfectly frank, egalitarianism has very much lulled over and minimized them. I don't hold it against all of them, but they are every bit as toxic as a 'radical' feminist. I know those groups are not inherently toxic. Neither is feminism.

10-25-2013, 01:53 AM
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Gender - by Paddy™ - 10-22-2013, 12:58 PM
RE: Gender - by The chaser - 10-22-2013, 01:09 PM
RE: Gender - by PutraenusAlivius - 10-22-2013, 01:22 PM
RE: Gender - by Nice - 10-22-2013, 01:51 PM
RE: Gender - by FlawlessHappiness - 10-22-2013, 02:45 PM
RE: Gender - by Nice - 10-22-2013, 03:15 PM
RE: Gender - by Mechavomit - 10-22-2013, 04:18 PM
RE: Gender - by MyRedNeptune - 10-22-2013, 11:08 PM
RE: Gender - by Ashtoreth - 10-25-2013, 09:19 AM
RE: Gender - by Ghieri - 10-22-2013, 04:42 PM
RE: Gender - by Froge - 10-22-2013, 09:15 PM
RE: Gender - by Mechavomit - 10-22-2013, 11:41 PM
RE: Gender - by Kman - 10-22-2013, 11:54 PM
RE: Gender - by Nice - 10-23-2013, 01:31 PM
RE: Gender - by Kman - 10-23-2013, 11:49 PM
RE: Gender - by VaeVictis - 10-23-2013, 12:33 AM
RE: Gender - by failedALIAS - 10-23-2013, 05:43 AM
RE: Gender - by VaeVictis - 10-23-2013, 05:51 AM
RE: Gender - by Alardem - 10-23-2013, 04:19 AM
RE: Gender - by VaeVictis - 10-23-2013, 04:26 AM
RE: Gender - by Tiger - 10-23-2013, 09:08 AM
RE: Gender - by Kreekakon - 10-23-2013, 07:41 AM
RE: Gender - by Paddy™ - 10-23-2013, 11:59 AM
RE: Gender - by Bridge - 10-23-2013, 05:07 PM
RE: Gender - by VaeVictis - 10-24-2013, 03:40 AM
RE: Gender - by Bridge - 10-24-2013, 09:29 AM
RE: Gender - by VaeVictis - 10-24-2013, 10:26 AM
RE: Gender - by Bridge - 10-24-2013, 02:04 PM
RE: Gender - by VaeVictis - 10-24-2013, 02:29 PM
RE: Gender - by Ashtoreth - 10-24-2013, 03:16 PM
RE: Gender - by Paddy™ - 10-24-2013, 03:21 PM
RE: Gender - by Bridge - 10-24-2013, 05:09 PM
RE: Gender - by VaeVictis - 10-25-2013, 01:53 AM
RE: Gender - by Bridge - 10-25-2013, 02:59 PM
RE: Gender - by Paddy™ - 10-26-2013, 06:25 PM
RE: Gender - by Bridge - 10-26-2013, 06:55 PM
RE: Gender - by Paddy™ - 10-27-2013, 12:30 AM
RE: Gender - by Paddy™ - 10-24-2013, 10:34 PM
RE: Gender - by failedALIAS - 10-23-2013, 06:04 AM
RE: Gender - by Ghieri - 10-23-2013, 06:18 AM
RE: Gender - by VaeVictis - 10-23-2013, 09:24 AM
RE: Gender - by Paddy™ - 10-23-2013, 08:21 AM
RE: Gender - by Acies - 10-23-2013, 05:52 PM
RE: Gender - by imgoneimdead - 10-23-2013, 06:39 PM
RE: Gender - by CarnivorousJelly - 10-24-2013, 12:41 AM
RE: Gender - by PutraenusAlivius - 10-24-2013, 02:51 PM
RE: Gender - by Nice - 10-24-2013, 02:55 PM
RE: Gender - by PutraenusAlivius - 10-24-2013, 03:02 PM
RE: Gender - by Nice - 10-24-2013, 03:37 PM
RE: Gender - by Mechavomit - 10-24-2013, 05:37 PM
RE: Gender - by Kman - 10-25-2013, 12:27 AM
RE: Gender - by Paddy™ - 10-25-2013, 12:43 AM
RE: Gender - by Kman - 10-25-2013, 01:27 AM
RE: Gender - by Paddy™ - 10-25-2013, 02:33 AM
RE: Gender - by Cuyir - 10-24-2013, 09:47 PM
RE: Gender - by Ghieri - 10-25-2013, 03:18 AM
RE: Gender - by Alardem - 10-25-2013, 04:50 AM
RE: Gender - by Paddy™ - 10-25-2013, 05:32 AM
RE: Gender - by Alardem - 10-25-2013, 05:55 AM
RE: Gender - by Paddy™ - 10-25-2013, 06:36 AM
RE: Gender - by VaeVictis - 10-25-2013, 07:07 AM
RE: Gender - by VaeVictis - 10-25-2013, 09:58 AM
RE: Gender - by Ashtoreth - 10-25-2013, 10:06 AM
RE: Gender - by VaeVictis - 10-25-2013, 10:34 AM
RE: Gender - by Ashtoreth - 10-25-2013, 10:45 AM
RE: Gender - by PutraenusAlivius - 10-25-2013, 12:33 PM
RE: Gender - by VaeVictis - 10-26-2013, 02:53 AM
RE: Gender - by Mechavomit - 10-25-2013, 11:22 PM
RE: Gender - by MyRedNeptune - 10-26-2013, 12:20 AM
RE: Gender - by Paddy™ - 10-26-2013, 09:38 AM
RE: Gender - by PutraenusAlivius - 10-26-2013, 12:41 AM
RE: Gender - by Bridge - 10-26-2013, 12:54 AM
RE: Gender - by Mechavomit - 10-26-2013, 01:01 AM
RE: Gender - by PutraenusAlivius - 10-26-2013, 02:38 AM
RE: Gender - by Kman - 10-26-2013, 02:50 AM
RE: Gender - by Kman - 10-26-2013, 04:12 AM
RE: Gender - by Froge - 10-26-2013, 04:54 AM
RE: Gender - by Kreekakon - 10-26-2013, 10:42 AM
RE: Gender - by Cuyir - 10-26-2013, 09:35 PM
RE: Gender - by Bridge - 10-27-2013, 02:20 PM
RE: Gender - by Paddy™ - 10-27-2013, 04:59 PM
RE: Gender - by Paddy™ - 11-01-2013, 06:50 AM
RE: Gender - by VaeVictis - 11-01-2013, 07:09 AM
RE: Gender - by Paddy™ - 11-01-2013, 07:03 PM
RE: Gender - by Cuyir - 11-01-2013, 04:57 PM
RE: Gender - by wubwub - 03-03-2014, 05:22 PM
RE: Gender - by Kreekakon - 03-03-2014, 05:32 PM



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