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[eliasfrost]

Math theorems and everything related to it were true before humans where even created. Mathematics existed before humans. Therefore it was not invented by humans, it was discovered by them.

All math teorems are based on previously established methods of math, what is to say that the very basics of math is not an invention? There are no evidence that says that it is in fact natural.

I think math is a language to explain and handle information about stuff around us, natural phenomena. Natural phenomena still exist without math and obey certain rules, yes, but math itself is not a natural phenomena. It's a tool we invented and use to explain natural phenomena, and just like any other tool, math is being expanded upon and in some cases vary, and in rare cases even dysfunction.

I don't believe for a second that math is the truth, that would be making it too easy for myself and in some ways limit my view on the universe and all the wonders it contain.