Religion

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so you're saying that church will always be corrupt because it was once in the past? somewhere around the year of 1200

I say that religion makes people unhappy because think about the millions of people out there who are very pious and pray to God for say a loaf of bread and don't get it. Is it because they do not deserve it? Were they not devout enough followers? If you look at the evidence, or even examine your own personal experience with prayers, you will find that it's about a 50/50 shot of them being granted. I would be very confused and unhappy if I were religious and someone who is supposed to listen to me and love me doesn't grant me even the most modest of wishes. Religious people make up the most absurd BS to justify this, like "God works in mysterious ways", which is perhaps the biggest cop-out in history.

okay so tell me, which one of the two people will get through things more easily and most importantly will be happier?

Both of them are living a really poor life and they are in starvation, you could say on the verge of dying. They have nothing and no one...they are left to themselves.

Person 1 is an athesist, person 2 is religious.

Person 1: He is well aware that he's not getting any "magical" help, he knows that he stands alone in all of this and that he's pretty much dead if he somehow doesnt find food...If he dies, he will waste away into nothingness. It will all turn black. boom. over.

Person 2: He lives through his pain and suffering with hope that someday his prayer might get answered. He knows that whatever happens, there's God that will watch over him. He also realises that according to what his religion teaches, that all his suffering and humiliation will be greatly repayed for in heaven, so if he dies, he will wake up in heaven where he will be greatly satiated and ..well.. will experience great happiness.

now ofc this is where it gets touchy... Obviously as an atheist you're going to wave your hand and say "Poor person 2, so deluded and living in false hope" while a religious person is going to say "Poor person 2, if he's not gonna manage through in this life, he will in next"

and once again, touchy subject. An atheist is OBVIOUSLY going to claim that the prayers of those poor never come true, while someone like me would say that there's a fair chance they do.

Also an atheist such as yourself would deny that any miracles happen but a religious person such as myself will believe of the miracles they hear. For example my parents went on a pilgrim road and they shared stories of the people they met there... For example how someones daughter, after being hit by a car and having her whole body broken, she woke up in the hospital next day with all of her bones and limbs intact. That night, all of the girls relatives were praying till the morning. And that's definetly not the only story i know of.

but again, that's why having a proper argument is impossible because an atheist is going to call BS on that story because its not scientifcly possible, while a religious person that lives in faith and belives in supernatural is going to believe those stories and use them as proof.

sorry about taking so long, was eating a pizza