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Having trouble with lighting
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wehave1problem Offline
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Solved: 1 Year, 9 Months, 1 Week, 5 Days, 23 Hours, 45 Minutes, 54 Seconds ago Having trouble with lighting

First stats:
Snow Leopard 10.6.4
iMac5,1 Intel Core 2 Duo
2 GB RAM
ATY,RadeonX1600 256mb vram
1650x1050 display

So I know the game is supposed to be dark. However, after watching the trailers Frictional puts out, and several videos on youtube, I've come to the conclusion that my game is unusually dark. More particularly the ambient lighting for me is essentially non-existent.

I've adjusted by gamma and quality settings several times to see if that makes a difference: it doesn't.The gamma in these pictures is probably 1.5. I Made sure I could clearly see the right gray box. It didn't help, all is did was raise my darkness from a nice black to a gray. Things weren't more visible.

Picture 1 is of the room "Study" of Beck Hall
[Image: Screenshot2010-09-12at101011PM.png]
Picture 2 is of the room "Guest Room" of Beck Hall
[Image: Screenshot2010-09-12at101347PM.png]

Beck Hall
[Image: Screenshot2010-09-12at100854PM.png]

This person on youtube has seen more light in one room than I have the entire game. Things like the details in carpets and tiny items on the ground are things I've never seen, even at the highest gamma and quality settings.
[Image: ishot-1009131240431.jpg]

So now the question is how did I get this far, right? Slowly....very, very slowly. I've run out of oil more times then I should, it's getting frustrating. I hardly bother using tinderboxes because the light from the candles isn't enough to help me see anything.
On a side note, I didn't notice this till I saw a video, but those frames I see sometimes are actually supposed to have pictures in them. Mine are black canvases.

Why is it so dark? What's the reason for it? The darkness, that is.
09-13-2010 08:59 PM
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Solved: 1 Year, 9 Months, 1 Week, 5 Days, 23 Hours, 45 Minutes, 54 Seconds ago RE: Having trouble with lighting

This is an issue with the ATI X series cards that is being worked on.. (Cross-platform bug).

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09-13-2010 09:05 PM
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Great, thanks!
09-13-2010 09:24 PM
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(09-13-2010 09:05 PM)Urkle Wrote:  This is an issue with the ATI X series cards that is being worked on.. (Cross-platform bug).

Good to know this is being fixed. I'm in a similar boat; it's very hard for me to see anything in the game without using the lantern. Will there be some kind of email notification to users, when a patch is available?
10-03-2010 01:08 PM
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Solved: 1 Year, 9 Months, 1 Week, 5 Days, 23 Hours, 45 Minutes, 54 Seconds ago RE: Having trouble with lighting

The patch will be released tomorrow.. and there will be a forum announcement and probably a news post when it's available.

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10-03-2010 01:10 PM
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Solved: 1 Year, 9 Months, 1 Week, 5 Days, 23 Hours, 45 Minutes, 54 Seconds ago RE: Having trouble with lighting

(10-03-2010 01:10 PM)Urkle Wrote:  The patch will be released tomorrow.. and there will be a forum announcement and probably a news post when it's available.

So, I applied that Mac patch... Just tried starting a new game, and found that the game is STILL dark. I'm attaching a screencap inside the small room near where you start out, where you pick up a tinderbox... Note that the candle completely fails to provide useful light beyond the radius of its own glow effect. (I shrank the screencap down to only 25% of the 1440x900 that I play at, because a giant black picture isn't that interesting...)

The Gamma here is set at 1.4, if I recall correctly, and fiddling with it makes no significant difference.

Is it possible the patcher didn't work right? Might it be better to try deleting and reinstalling the entire app?


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10-06-2010 04:30 AM
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Solved: 1 Year, 9 Months, 1 Week, 5 Days, 23 Hours, 45 Minutes, 54 Seconds ago RE: Having trouble with lighting

Go to ~/Library/Application Support/Frictional Games/Amnesia/ and take the hpl.log file and post it here, that way we can check if it is updated.
10-06-2010 07:05 AM
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(10-06-2010 07:05 AM)jens Wrote:  Go to ~/Library/Application Support/Frictional Games/Amnesia/ and take the hpl.log file and post it here, that way we can check if it is updated.

hpl.log is quoted below. Also, I'm not sure if it's relevant, but as far as I can tell, hpl_update.log is an empty file.

Quote:Version 1.10 - s1E3330FF-539
-------- THE HPL ENGINE LOG ------------
Engine build ID 20101002081729

Creating Engine Modules
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Creating graphics module
Creating system module
Creating resource module
Creating input module
Creating sound module
Creating physics module
Creating ai module
Creating gui module
Creating generate module
Creating haptic module
Creating scene module
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Initializing Resources Module
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Creating loader handlers
Creating resource managers
Adding loaders to handlers
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Initializing Graphics Module
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Init lowlevel graphics: 1440x900 bpp:32 fs:1 ms:0 gpufmt:2 cap:'Amnesia - The Dark Descent - Loading...' posSad-1x-1)
Setting video mode: 1440 x 900 - 32 bpp
Init Glew...OK
Setting up OpenGL
Vendor: ATI Technologies Inc.
Renderer: ATI Radeon X1600 OpenGL Engine
Version: 2.0 ATI-1.6.18
Max texture image units: 16
Max texture coord units: 8
Max user clip planes: 6
Two sided stencil: 1
Vertex Buffer Object: 1
Anisotropic filtering: 1
Max Anisotropic degree: 16
Multisampling: 1
Texture compression: 1
Texture compression S3TC: 1
Auto generate MipMaps: 1
Render to texture: 1
Max draw buffers: 4
Max color render targets: 4
Packed depth-stencil: 1
Texture float: 1
GLSL Version: 1.20
ShaderModel 2: 1
ShaderModel 3: 0
ShaderModel 4: 0
OGL ATIFragmentShader: 0
ATTENTION: System does not support const arrays in glsl!
Setting up G-Bugger: type: 0 texturenum: 3
Adding engine materials
Initializing DevIL
Vendor String: Abysmal Software
Version String: Developer's Image Library (DevIL) 1.6.8pre Aug 22 2010
Version Number: 168
Adding engine post effects
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Initializing Sound Module
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Initializing OpenAL
Available OpenAL devices:
0. Built-in Output(OpenAL default)
Trying to open device 'Built-in Output'... Success!
Number of mono sources: 32
Streaming setup: 4 Buffers x 262144 bytes each
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Initializing Game Module
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Adding engine updates
Initializing script functions
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User Initialization
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Game Running
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-------- Loading map 'menu_bg.map' ---------
Cache Loading: 1494 ms
Entities: 412 ms
Compilation: 1 ms
Total: 1977 ms
Meshes created: 26
Bodies created: 5
-------- Loading complete ---------
Setting profile: 'Auros' Path: '/Users/rmharman/Library/Application Support/Frictional Games/Amnesia/Main/Auros/'
-------- Loading map '00_rainy_hall.map' ---------
Cache Loading: 2845 ms
Entities: 3833 ms
Compilation: 39 ms
Total: 6943 ms
Meshes created: 145
Bodies created: 48
-------- Loading complete ---------
Saving main config.
Saving user config.
ERROR: Could not find light 'spotthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'pointthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'ambthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'spotthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'pointthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'ambthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'spotthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'pointthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'ambthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'spotthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'pointthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'ambthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'spotthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'pointthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'ambthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'spotthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'pointthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'ambthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'spotthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'pointthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'ambthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'spotthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'pointthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'ambthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'spotthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'pointthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'ambthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'spotthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'pointthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'ambthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'spotthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'pointthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'ambthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'spotthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'pointthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'ambthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'spotthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'pointthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'ambthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'spotthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'pointthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'ambthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'spotthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'pointthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'ambthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'spotthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'pointthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'ambthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'spotthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'pointthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'ambthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'spotthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'pointthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'ambthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'spotthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'pointthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'ambthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'spotthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'pointthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'ambthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'spotthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'pointthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'ambthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'spotthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'pointthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'ambthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'spotthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'pointthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'ambthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'spotthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'pointthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'ambthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'spotthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'pointthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'ambthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'spotthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'pointthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'ambthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'spotthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'pointthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'ambthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'spotthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'pointthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'ambthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'spotthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'pointthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'ambthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'spotthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'pointthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'ambthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'spotthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'pointthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'ambthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'spotthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'pointthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'ambthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'spotthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'pointthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'ambthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'spotthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'pointthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'ambthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'spotthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'pointthunder_0'
ERROR: Could not find light 'ambthunder_0'
-------- Loading map 'menu_bg.map' ---------
Cache Loading: 881 ms
Entities: 148 ms
Compilation: 2 ms
Total: 1040 ms
Meshes created: 26
Bodies created: 5
-------- Loading complete ---------
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Statistics
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Medium framerate: 20.894739
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User Exit
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Saving main config.
Saving user config.
Deleting game modules.
'LuxInputHandler'
'LuxHelpFuncs'
'LuxSaveHandler'
'LuxScriptHandler'
'LuxProgressLogHandler'
'LuxMapHandler'
'LuxMapHelper'
'LuxPlayer'
'LuxInsanityHandler'
'LuxDebugHandler'
'LuxEffectRenderer'
'LuxMusicHandler'
'LuxMusicHandler'
'LuxEffectHandler'
'LuxCompletionCountHandler'
'LuxGlobalDataHandler'
'LuxHintHandler'
'LuxPostEffectHandler'
'LuxPreMenu'
'LuxDebugHandler'
'LuxInventory'
'LuxJournal'
'LuxCredits'
'LuxLoadScreenHandler'
Deleting config files.
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Exiting Gui Module
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Deleting all sets
Deleting all skins
Deleting all gfx elements
Deleting all materials
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Exiting Generate Module
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Exiting Scene Module
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Exiting Input Module
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Exiting Sound Module
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Exiting Graphics Module
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Exiting Resources Module
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Done with fonts
Done with scripts
Done with particles
Done with sounds
Done with meshes
Done with materials
Done with Gpu programs
Done with images
Destroyed all textures
Done with sound entities
Done with animations
Done with ent files
All resources deleted
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Exiting Physics Module
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Exiting System Module
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Deleting game setup provided by user
- Deleting lowlevel stuff.
Physics
Sound
Input
Resources
System
Graphics
Haptic
HPL Exit was successful!

|--Memory Manager Report-------------------------------|
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| No memory leaks detected. Memory left: 0
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|------------------------------------------------------|
10-06-2010 07:56 PM
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ok.. looks like the patch did apply correctly.. I'll have to look more into this issue.. I guess the ATI X issue is slightly different on Mac OS X then Sad

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10-06-2010 11:16 PM
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(10-06-2010 11:16 PM)Urkle Wrote:  ok.. looks like the patch did apply correctly.. I'll have to look more into this issue.. I guess the ATI X issue is slightly different on Mac OS X then Sad

Hi Urkle,

I just wanted to check in and see if there had been any progress on figuring this out. I'd be happy to help if there's any way I can.

Cheers,
Auros
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